Curse

Lord Sojar · Apr 30, 2008, 12:22 AM // 00:22

I have had enough of a particular scammer. I realized that he has now scammed myself and 6 other of my friends within the past week. He is a german player in american districts. He will join your CoF run, and near the end, will go back to the beginning of the 3rd lvl and pick up all the unbound drops. He will then go AFK and wait for you all to leave before getting the final chest. He will not say a word after the first section of lvl3.

I do not care if we are not allowed to post in game names. The hell with that policy. That rule shouldn't apply to people who get away with this time and time again and the community has no way of knowing about these chronic scammers and how terrible they are. ArenaNet/PlayNC take no action against in game scams, which is a pity.

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He is a known scammer, and he will scam you time and time again, perhaps under different names (however, all 6 of my friends and myself have seen him under the above name). People need to be aware of foul people like this, who lie and steal from innocent people just trying to offer a legit service in the game to make some gold. This is shameful, and it is absolutely pathetic that Arenanet/PlayNC ignore this type of offense. This should be a bannable offense, but these scammers don't receive so much as a slap on the wrist. This laissez-faire approach to scamming has got to go.

ArenaNet needs to add a tab into the report box for scamming and have it work just like the Leeching system (X number of teammates must report the same person for them to be declared a scammer)

KamikazeChicken · Apr 30, 2008, 12:26 AM // 00:26

Go back to the start, kill him, res him, get him 60% dp, and leave. He'll now be kicked to the outpost.

dunky_g · Apr 30, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

all scammers fail.

Especially if its for like 2k haha

Lord Sojar · Apr 30, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

No, on a side of good news. I was intelligent. I kept a group of plague zombies and bone fiends nearest the door. My team all left leaving just he and I. I acted as if I was AFK, and when I saw him coming, I aggroed that group. He knew that if he came near enough, they would kill him. So he stood near entrance. He forgot, however, that the flame get was right under him. It went off and he died instantly! lolz!

I then said, "Well GG scammmer, I will be afk 36 hrs, brb"

He raged. But still, people need to know about this vile people, and ANET's laissez-faire approach to this issue. Shame on the people, but shame on ANET/PlayNC also.

Ghostcell · Apr 30, 2008, 12:33 AM // 00:33

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

all scammers fail.

Especially if its for like 2k haha

/agree 12CHARSOMGCAPSLOCKBBQ!

joshuarodger · Apr 30, 2008, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

Go back to the start, kill him, res him, get him 60% dp, and leave. He'll now be kicked to the outpost.

he can't actually kill him if there are no enemies there to do it. you should have cleared the area already so it sounds like he's pretty much free to find a safe spot and just stand there.

you could let everyone know at the beginning of the run that, unless you receive payment from everyone, you will not be killing murakai but will return all gold should that happen, and explain why.

that's the only option i see.

joshuarodger · Apr 30, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No, on a side of good news. I was intelligent. I kept a group of plague zombies and bone fiends nearest the door. My team all left leaving just he and I. I acted as if I was AFK, and when I saw him coming, I aggroed that group. He knew that if he came near enough, they would kill him. So he stood near entrance. He forgot, however, that the flame get was right under him. It went off and he died instantly! lolz!

I then said, "Well GG scammmer, I will be afk 36 hrs, brb"

He raged. But still, people need to know about this vile people, and ANET's laissez-faire approach to this issue. Shame on the people, but shame on ANET/PlayNC also.

haha. nice.

you posted while i was typing.

KamikazeChicken · Apr 30, 2008, 12:45 AM // 00:45

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Originally Posted by joshuarodger

he can't actually kill him if there are no enemies there to do it.

If he goes all the way back to the start, there are enemies that can kill him, at least I don't know of anybody that clears everything at the start.

Witchblade · Apr 30, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

just H/H it, i dont need a punk to run CoF Hm

R.Shayne · Apr 30, 2008, 12:58 AM // 00:58

At one time I tolerated scammers on CoF runs, but not anymore. After giving everyones 2k back several times I realized that I can make more gold by just using my two computer / accounts to farm CoF and other dungeons by myself. That means another runner is gone and if you haven't notice good runners are in short supply so the scammers have ruined it for all players.

A good way to avoid dealing with scammer is don't run on the weekends. If the weekend is the only good time for you to run then do it in the morning hours.

I can understand ANET stand on scammers because it could to easily be abused by people wishing to grief others and would probably tripple the work load of ANET.

I haven't tried this but can you report someone for leeching on a CoF run?

Chushingura · Apr 30, 2008, 01:02 AM // 01:02

ANet doesn't care about any person who gets scammed 1k 2k or other pitiful amounts. Why would they bother with such low amounts when they have bigger priorities? They MIGHT take action against those who scam for say 50k, 100k, 100k + xx, but most of those scams are trade ones. And it's always the seller's or buyer's fault for NOT looking carefully at trade windows or knowing the market prices for such items.

Getting scammed running people can't and will not be helped. There's no guarantee for either side. Even screenshots don't give any real proof, hence, Anet won't give a crap.

You can say it's the principle blah blah, but no one, including Anet, cares about that when it comes to such chump change of money.

Just remember the duping plots. If I had say, duped 1000 ectos, I would still have evaded the banstick, because Anet only banned those who duped 109384284392075 armbraces and minipets. These people were idiots. If you really want to exploit something, exploit the things that authorities are least to suspect, not the obvious treasures. It's like why counterfeit the 100 dollar bill? Counterfeit the 1 dollar bill. Who the heck would suspect the dollar bill? lol

maraxusofk · Apr 30, 2008, 01:06 AM // 01:06

attention please: because anet never intended any single person to be able to do a dungoen solo (hence running) u are in danger of having actions taken against u for abusing a bug just like double ram! /endsarcasm

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Huh. Look at that. More contextual clues that a thinking human being with the capacity for rational thought can evaluate to think "gee... I'll bet THIS is intended behavior, and THIS probably isn't".

I think it's silly that anyone is up in arms and calling for bans, but it was still abuse. They abused a bug, and it was obviously a bug to anybody with any capacity for rational thinking.

Lord Sojar · Apr 30, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by Chushingura

ANet doesn't care about any person who gets scammed 1k 2k or other pitiful amounts. Why would they bother with such low amounts when they have bigger priorities? They MIGHT take action against those who scam for say 50k, 100k, 100k + xx, but most of those scams are trade ones. And it's always the seller's or buyer's fault for NOT looking carefully at trade windows or knowing the market prices for such items.

Getting scammed running people can't and will not be helped. There's no guarantee for either side. Even screenshots don't give any real proof, hence, Anet won't give a crap.

You can say it's the principle blah blah, but no one, including Anet, cares about that when it comes to such chump change of money.

Just remember the duping plots. If I had say, duped 1000 ectos, I would still have evaded the banstick, because Anet only banned those who duped 109384284392075 armbraces and minipets. These people were idiots. If you really want to exploit something, exploit the things that authorities are least to suspect, not the obvious treasures. It's like why counterfeit the 100 dollar bill? Counterfeit the 1 dollar bill. Who the heck would suspect the dollar bill? lol

Once again, in the wake of ignorance, I will point out the fact that the amount doesn't matter. There needs to be a tab added so if the team reports them for scamming the issues is investigated. Typically the rest of the team is angered by the scammer. If they added a Scamming tab, this issue would be resolved. Don't be ignorant and only look at the "big" issues. The amount doesn't matter, it, AGAIN, is the fact that people like this do this all day long in order to build up huge sums of money because they leech off others time and energy. The amount is irrelevant... do not make me repeat myself again.

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

attention please: because anet never intended any single person to be able to do a dungoen solo (hence running) u are in danger of having actions taken against u for abusing a bug.

You cannot be serious... LOLOLOL. Soloing is a mainstay of the game. There is no bug you twit, it is simple skill synergy. Thank Protective spirit and Spriit bond for being two of the most game breaking skills in the game. And it isn't solo, it is a two man party (or you + a hero) Nice attempt to troll though, /applause.

October Jade · Apr 30, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

Rahja has been here a while, and I've always thought he seemed like a pretty classy guy. This thread, on the other hand, is full of lame.

I understand that leechers and other scum of the GW universe incite great ire. The greater problem is that vigilante blacklisting is baed. Relatively few people read these forums in the first place, and it would be too easy to ruin other players' credibility over insignificant slights. This is the internet after all; petty grudges can last a long time.

Yes, a /report feature for scamming would be helpful. I don't foresee it existing in this generation of GW though. There are probably too many other issues of higher precedence, and even if there aren't, ANet will tell us that there are.

R.Shayne · Apr 30, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by maraxusofk

attention please: because anet never intended any single person to be able to do a dungoen solo (hence running) u are in danger of having actions taken against u for abusing a bug.

You can't do that dungeon solo, you have to have a smiter.

I could be wrong but I think I read somewhere that one of the developers had something to do with creating the 600 / Smite build. No matter who created ANET was well aware of the 600 / Smite build and how to counter it. I really believe ANET set up the CoF dungeon just so people could have more money for all the crap they are expected to buy with the release of Eye of the North’s Hall of Monuments and the large amount of titles.

As far as exploiting a bug I want to know what bug would that be that we are exploiting. Spirit Bond has been fixed and made the run easier. ANET fixed backfire and caused a drastic reduction in the number of runners or runners that can get pass the first level. If they wanted to kill the runs the could easily do this by updating a few healer builds used by the undead or give Murakai a remove enchantment (of course that means the runners would have to learn to echo spell breaker not really a big deal).

If you are saying clearing an area with only two people is a bug what about all those people that challenge themselves by using less than full party just to see if they can do it?

Shayne Hawke · Apr 30, 2008, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Suppose my name were the one you were targeting. I could grab a new character, set my status to Offline, and continue doing it again.

I totally agree with you that ANet doesn't do much against these low key scammers that are probably more common than people think. What people are able to do themselves to report the issue is not even close to how much a person can do to save themselves from being touched.

Skizzaar · Apr 30, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I stopped running that for pugs for the most part as well. Too many Scammers so stick to guildies and allies. =)

fusa · Apr 30, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

IArenaNet needs to add a tab into the report box for scamming and have it work just like the Leeching system (X number of teammates must report the same person for them to be declared a scammer)

You can send a report through the PlayNC site. I know that scammers are banned for trading scams, but think I remember that scams involving services aren't punished. Think this was since its hard to tell exactly what was to be done and how and when payment was to be made. But I agree with Rahja that A-net really doesn't seem to care about the quality of its playerbase or seem to want to do anything to improve it.
A couple of other things that could be done is a vote system to kick party members (with their drops being locked or disappear after kick) Another could be an online reputation system, more you're banned the worse of a flag you get. (Banned once your character name is yellow instead of green, twice color is orange, etc)

Malice Black · Apr 30, 2008, 01:58 AM // 01:58

A report tab for scammers would be abused.

Powerful White Man · Apr 30, 2008, 01:59 AM // 01:59

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

A report tab for scammers would be abused.

I say if a player is stupid enough to get scammed, then good.